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	<title>Comments on: Copyleft and closed dual license ethics</title>
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		<title>By: micah</title>
		<link>http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/10/14/copyleft-and-closed-dual-license-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-1012</link>
		<dc:creator>micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@petur, that&#039;s what I was thinking.

I&#039;d probably contribute back to the company, if it was pretty much minor tweaks and/or bugfixes. For such things, it&#039;s somewhat unlikely that they would release bugfixes and such only in the proprietary version, and I&#039;m probably most interested in getting it to work for &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;.

It also depends a good deal on the license. For instance, the copyright assignment I&#039;m required to sign for the FSF grants me back all rights of use of the code (so I can continue to do what I want with it, put it in BSD or proprietary code, whatever), and additionally promises that they will distribute the code under a Free Software license (duh).

I don&#039;t know MySql&#039;s agreement, but I would be &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; hesitant to sign any assignment that didn&#039;t at least promise that my code will remain under GPL (in MySql&#039;s case). Effectively barring community contributions from becoming &quot;proprietary-only&quot; features. That&#039;s only fair. And if they provide that, then I have fewer qualms about helping develop even significant features. Though I still personally prefer to contribute to wholly Free (and not just Open Source) projects (in instances like this, there is, I think, a distinction).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@petur, that&#8217;s what I was thinking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d probably contribute back to the company, if it was pretty much minor tweaks and/or bugfixes. For such things, it&#8217;s somewhat unlikely that they would release bugfixes and such only in the proprietary version, and I&#8217;m probably most interested in getting it to work for <em>me</em>.</p>
<p>It also depends a good deal on the license. For instance, the copyright assignment I&#8217;m required to sign for the FSF grants me back all rights of use of the code (so I can continue to do what I want with it, put it in BSD or proprietary code, whatever), and additionally promises that they will distribute the code under a Free Software license (duh).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know MySql&#8217;s agreement, but I would be <em>really</em> hesitant to sign any assignment that didn&#8217;t at least promise that my code will remain under GPL (in MySql&#8217;s case). Effectively barring community contributions from becoming &#8220;proprietary-only&#8221; features. That&#8217;s only fair. And if they provide that, then I have fewer qualms about helping develop even significant features. Though I still personally prefer to contribute to wholly Free (and not just Open Source) projects (in instances like this, there is, I think, a distinction).</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/10/14/copyleft-and-closed-dual-license-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-1011</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite puzzled that several of these projects have done so good this far using this concept already from the start. MySQL for example is a very very often brought into the light as an example project showing how to do open source and business hand in hand.

The absence of forks (&lt;a href=&quot;http://go-oo.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go-oo&lt;/a&gt; seems to be an exception) of any significance just have to be a sign that my concerns are not widely shared by open source users and hackers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite puzzled that several of these projects have done so good this far using this concept already from the start. MySQL for example is a very very often brought into the light as an example project showing how to do open source and business hand in hand.</p>
<p>The absence of forks (<a href="http://go-oo.org/" rel="nofollow">go-oo</a> seems to be an exception) of any significance just have to be a sign that my concerns are not widely shared by open source users and hackers.</p>
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		<title>By: petur</title>
		<link>http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/10/14/copyleft-and-closed-dual-license-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>petur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, it seems the only way out that would teach these companies not to try these tricks, is to fork the project with a large enough community. Since the original company doesn&#039;t have copyrights to the new code, they are forced to re-implement it themselves or drop the commercial branch and join the true open source movement.
Power to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it seems the only way out that would teach these companies not to try these tricks, is to fork the project with a large enough community. Since the original company doesn&#8217;t have copyrights to the new code, they are forced to re-implement it themselves or drop the commercial branch and join the true open source movement.<br />
Power to the people.</p>
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