{"id":1122,"date":"2009-08-21T13:30:50","date_gmt":"2009-08-21T11:30:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/?p=1122"},"modified":"2009-08-27T00:49:42","modified_gmt":"2009-08-26T22:49:42","slug":"kernel-hacker-foodfigths","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/2009\/08\/21\/kernel-hacker-foodfigths\/","title":{"rendered":"kernel hacker foodfights"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The concept of flame wars and public pie throwing is not new in the open source world, and the open nature of the projects make us &#8211; the audience &#8211; get to see everything. To read every upset word and get to point back to the mails in retrospect.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think people in the open source community is any particularly more trigger-happy to start the flame wars than people are outside of the openness, but open it is and then we can see it.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve always disliked the harsh attitude and language that seems to have become popular in some circles, and I believe Linus Torvalds himself is part of that movement as he&#8217;s often rude, bad-mouthed and very aggressive in his (leadership) style. I think that easily grows into a hostile and unfriendly atmosphere where little room is left for fun, for jest and for helping out among friends.<\/p>\n<p>So even if that is not the reason for the recent developments, here&#8217;s two episodes from August 2009:<\/p>\n<p>A short while ago we got to see well-known kernel hacker <a href=\"http:\/\/lkml.org\/lkml\/2009\/7\/28\/375\">Alan Cox step down as tty maintainer<\/a> after an emotional argument on the lkml. The argument there was basically Linus telling Alan he should&#8217;ve admitted his error and acted on it earlier than he did.<\/p>\n<p>Nearby, on the mailing list linux-arm-kernel a long-going argument about the management of the actual mailing list itself again sparkled up a fire. The argument in this case have been a long going discussion whether the mailing list Russell King (the main ARM Linux maintainer) runs should be open to allow non-subscribers to post without them needing moderation or not. It ended today with <a href=\"http:\/\/lkml.org\/lkml\/2009\/8\/21\/52\">Russell shutting down his lists<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Right now, it seems the linux-arm-kernel list is <a href=\"http:\/\/lkml.org\/lkml\/2009\/8\/21\/96\">being transferred<\/a> over to <a href=\"http:\/\/bombadil.infradead.org\/mailman\/listinfo\/linux-arm-kernel\">infradead.org<\/a> by David Woodhouse to continue its life there, but I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve seen the end of this yet so things may settle differently. There&#8217;s also this <a href=\"http:\/\/lkml.org\/lkml\/2009\/8\/21\/67\">patch <\/a>pending which suggests using the linux-arm list on vger.kernel.org.<\/p>\n<p>(Readers should note that I myself don&#8217;t take side in any of these arguments.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The concept of flame wars and public pie throwing is not new in the open source world, and the open nature of the projects make us &#8211; the audience &#8211; get to see everything. To read every upset word and get to point back to the mails in retrospect. I don&#8217;t think people in the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/2009\/08\/21\/kernel-hacker-foodfigths\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">kernel hacker foodfights<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[14,6],"tags":[421,19],"class_list":["post-1122","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-linux","category-floss","tag-linux","tag-open-source"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1122","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1122"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1122\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1141,"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1122\/revisions\/1141"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1122"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1122"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/daniel.haxx.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1122"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}