I have talked about old curl bugs before, but now we have a new curl record.

When we announced the security flaw CVE-2024-11053 on December 11, 2024 together with the release of curl 8.11.1 we fixed a security bug that was introduced in a curl release 9039 days ago. That is close to twenty-five years.

The previous record holder was CVE-2022-35252 at 8729 days.

Now at 161 reported CVEs, the median time a security problem has existed in curl until fixed is 2583 days, a little over seven years.

Age

We know the age of every single curl security problem because every time we have a confirmed one, I spend a significant time and effort digging through the source code history to figure out in which exact commit the problem was introduced.

(This is also how we know that almost every CVE we have ever announced was introduced by my mistakes.)

What’s Wrong?

I don’t think anyone is doing anything wrong here. I think it illustrates the difficulty and challenges involved. There are a lot of people looking at curl code all the time. We run tests and analyzers on the code, all the time. In fact, in November 2024 alone, we had CI jobs running on GitHub alone at 9.17 CPU days per day. Meaning that on average more than nine machines were running curl tests and builds to help us verify that it works as intended.

Apart from that, we of course have all the human individual testers, security researchers and the Google OSS-Fuzz project that is fuzzing curl non-stop and has been doing so for the last 6-7 years.

Security is hard. I mean really really hard.

I have no immediate ideas how to find the next such bug other than the plain old: add more test cases for scenarios and setups not previously tested. That is hard, difficult and quite frankly quite boring work that nobody in particular wants to do nor fund someone else to do.

Enough eyeballs

I think we all agree by now that not all bugs are shallow. Or perhaps we can’t ever truly get enough eyeballs. Or maybe the saying works, just that it needs an addendum

Given enough eyeballs and time, all bugs are shallow

Learn from each mistake

It is often said, and it is true, that you learn from mistakes. The question is only what exactly to learn from each and every reported security vulnerability. Each new one always feels like a unique stupid mistake that was a one-off that surely will not happen again because that situation is now gone and we have no other like that.

Not a C mistake

Let me also touch this subject while talking security problems. This bug, the oldest so far in curl history, was a plain logic error and would not have been avoided had we used another language than C.

Otherwise, about 40% of all security problems in curl can be blamed on us using C instead of a memory-safe language. 50% of the high/critical severity ones.

Almost all of those C mistakes were done before there even existed a viable alternative language – if that even exists now.

Graphs

I decided to not sprinkle graph images in the post this time. You can find data and graphs for all my claims in here in the curl dashboard.

You know I spend all my days working on curl and related matters. I also spend a lot of time thinking on the project; like how we do things and how we should do things.

The security angle of this project is one of the most crucial ones and an area where I spend a lot of time and effort. Dealing with and assessing security reports, handling the verified actual security vulnerabilities and waiving off the imaginary ones.

150 vulnerabilities

The curl project recently announced its 150th published security vulnerability and its associated CVE. 150 security problems through a period of over 25 years in a library that runs in some twenty billion installations? Is that a lot? I don’t know. Of course, the rate of incoming security reports is much higher in modern days than it was decades ago.

Out of the 150 published vulnerabilities, 60 were reported and awarded money through our bug-bounty program. In total, the curl bug-bounty has of today paid 71,400 USD to good hackers and security researchers. The monetary promise is an obvious attraction to researchers. I suppose the fact that curl also over time has grown to run in even more places, on more architectures and in even more systems also increases people’s interest in looking into and scrutinize our code. curl is without doubt one of the world’s most widely installed software components. It requires scrutiny and control. Do we hold up our promises?

curl is a C program running in virtually every internet connect device you can think of.

Trends

Another noticeable trend among the reports the last decade is that we are getting way more vulnerabilities reported with severity level low or medium these days, while historically we got more ones rated high or even critical. I think this is partly because of the promise of money but also because of a generally increased and sharpened mindset about security. Things that in the past would get overlooked and considered “just a bug” are nowadays more likely to get classified as security problems. Because we think about the problems wearing our security hats much more now.

Memory-safety

Every time we publish a new CVE people will ask about when we will rewrite curl in a memory-safe language. Maybe that is good, it means people are aware and educated on these topics.

I will not rewrite curl. That covers all languages. I will however continue to develop it, also in terms of memory-safety. This is what happens:

1. We add support for more third party libraries written in memory-safe languages. Like the quiche library for QUIC and HTTP/3 and rustls for TLS.
2. We are open to optionally supporting a separate library instead of native code, where that separate library could be written in a memory-safe language. Like how we work with hyper.
3. We keep improving the code base with helper functions and style guides to reduce risks in the C code going forward. The C code is likely to remain with us for a long time forward, no matter how much the above mention areas advance. Because it is the mature choice and for many platforms still the only choice. Rust is cool, but the language, its ecosystem and its users are rookies and newbies for system library level use.

Step 1 and 2 above means that over time, the total amount of executable code in curl gradually can become more and more memory-safe. This development is happening already, just not very fast. Which is also why number 3 is important and is going to play a role for many years to come. We move forward in all of these areas at the same time, but with different speeds.

Why no rewrite

Because I’m not an expert on rust. Someone else would be a much more suitable person to lead such a rewrite. In fact, we could suspect that the entire curl maintainer team would need to be replaced since we are all old C developers maybe not the most suitable to lead and take care of a twin project written in rust. Dedicated long-term maintainer internet transfer library teams do not grow on trees.

Because rewriting is an enormous project that will introduce numerous new problems. It would take years until the new thing would be back at a similar level of rock solid functionality as curl is now.

During the initial years of the port’s “beta period”, the existing C project would continue on and we would have two separate branches to maintain and develop, more than doubling the necessary work. Users would stay on the first version until the second is considered stable, which will take a long time since it cannot become stable until it gets a huge amount of users to use it.

There is quite frankly very little (if any) actual demand for such a rewrite among curl users. The rewrite-it-in-rust mantra is mostly repeated by rust fans and people who think this is an easy answer to fixing the share of security problems that are due to C mistakes. Typically, the kind who has no desire or plans to participate in said venture.

C is unsafe and always will be

The C programming language is not memory-safe. Among the 150 reported curl CVEs, we have determined that 61 of them are “C mistakes”. Problems that most likely would not have happened had we used a memory-safe language. 40.6% of the vulnerabilities in curl reported so far could have been avoided by using another language.

Rust is virtually the only memory-safe language that is starting to become viable. C++ is not memory-safe and most other safe languages are not suitable for system/library level use. Often because how they fail to interface well with existing C/C++ code.

By June 2017 we had already made 51 C mistakes that ended up as vulnerabilities and at that time Rust was not a viable alternative yet. Meaning that for a huge portion of our problems, Rust was too late anyway.

40 is not 70

In lots of online sources people repeat that when writing code with C or C++, the share of security problems due to lack of memory-safety is in the range 60-70% of the flaws. In curl, looking per the date of when we introduced the flaws (not reported date), we were never above 50% C mistakes. Looking at the flaw introduction dates, it shows that this was true already back when the project was young so it’s not because of any recent changes.

If we instead count the share per report-date, the share has fluctuated significantly over time, as then it has depended on when people has found which problems. In 2010, the reported problems caused by C mistakes were at over 60%.

Of course, curl is a single project and not a statistical proof of any sort. It’s just a 25 year-old project written in C with more knowledge of and introspection into these details than most other projects.

Additionally, the share of C mistakes is slightly higher among the issues rated with higher severity levels: 51% (22 of 43) of the issues rated high or critical was due to C mistakes.

Help curl authors do better

We need to make it harder to write bad C code and easier to write correct C code. I do not only speak of helping others, I certainly speak of myself to a high degree. Almost every security problem we ever got reported in curl, I wrote. Including most of the issues caused by C mistakes. This means that I too need help to do right.

I have tried to learn from past mistakes and look for patterns. I believe I may have identified a few areas that are more likely than others to cause problems:

1. strings without length restrictions, because the length might end up very long in edge cases which risks causing integer overflows which leads to issues
2. reallocs, in particular without length restrictions and 32 bit integer overflows
3. memory and string copies, following a previous memory allocation, maybe most troublesome when the boundary checks are not immediately next to the actual copy in the source code
4. perhaps this is just subset of (3), but strncpy() is by itself complicated because of the padding and its not-always-null-terminating functionality

We try to avoid the above mentioned “problem areas” like this:

1. We have general maximum length restrictions for strings passed to libcurl’s API, and we have set limits on all internally created dynamic buffers and strings.
2. We avoid reallocs as far as possible and instead provide helper functions for doing dynamic buffers. In fact, avoiding all sorts of direct memory allocations help.
3. Many memory copies cannot be avoided, but if we can use a pointer and length instead that is much better. If we can snprintf() a target buffer that is better. If not, try do the copy close to the boundary check.
4. Avoid strncpy(). In most cases, it is better to just return error on too long input anyway, and then instead do plain strcpy or memcpy with the exact amount. Ideally of course, just using a pointer and the length is sufficient.

These helper functions and reduction of “difficult functions” in the code are not silver bullets. They will not magically make us avoid future vulnerabilities, they should just ideally make it harder to do security mistakes. We still need a lot of reviews, tools and testing to verify the code.

Clean code

Already before we created these helpers we have gradually and slowly over time made the code style and the requirements to follow it, stricter. When the source code looks and feels coherent, consistent, as if written by a single human, it becomes easier to read. Easier to read becomes easier to debug and easier to extend. Harder to make mistakes in.

To help us maintain a consistent code style, we have tool and CI job that runs it, so that obvious style mistakes or conformance problems end up as distinct red lines in the pull request.

Source verification

Together with the strict style requirement, we also of course run many compilers with as many picky compiler flags enabled as possible in CI jobs, we run fuzzers, valgrind, address/memory/undefined behavior sanitizers and we throw static code analyzers on the code – in a never-ending fashion. As soon as one of the tools gives a warning or indicates that something could perhaps be wrong, we fix it.

Of course also to verify the correct functionality of the code.

Data for this post

All data and numbers I speak of in this post are publicly available in the curl git repositories: curl and curl-www. The graphs come from the curl web site dashboard. All graph code is available.

There is something about having your product installed in over twenty billion instances all over the world and even out of the globe. In my case it helps me remain focused on and committed to working on the security aspects of curl. Ideally, we will never have our heartbleed moment.

Security is also a generally growing concern in the world around us and Open Source security perhaps especially so. This is one reason why NVD making things up is such a big problem.

The National Vulnerability Database (NVD) has a global presence. They host and share information about security vulnerabilities. If you search for a CVE Id using your favorite search engine, it is likely that the first result you get is a link to NVD’s page with information about that specific CVE. They take it upon themselves to educate the world about security issues. A job that certainly is needed but also one that puts a responsibility and requirement on them to be accurate. When they get things wrong they help distributing misinformation. Misinformation makes people potentially draw the wrong conclusions or act in wrong, incomplete or exaggerated ways.

Low or Medium severity issues

There are well-known, recognized and reputable Open Source projects who by policy never issue CVEs for security vulnerabilities they rank severity low or medium. (I will not identify such projects here because it is not the point of this post.)

Such a policy successfully avoids the risk that NVD will greatly inflate their issues since they can already only be high or critical. But is it helping the users and the ecosystem at large?

In the curl project we have a policy which makes us register a CVE for every single reported or self-detected problem that can have a security impact. Either at will or by mistake. This includes a fair amount of low and medium issues. The amount of low and medium issues as a total of all issues increases over time as we keep finding issues, but the really bad ones are less frequently reported.

As we have all data recorded and stored, we can visualize this development over time. Below is a graph showing the curl vulnerability and severity level trends since 2010.

Out of the 145 published curl security vulnerabilities so far, 28% have been rated severity high or critical while 104 of them were set low or medium by the curl security team.

I think this trend is easy to explain. It is because of two separate developments:

1. We as a project have matured and have learned over time how to test better, write code better to minimize risk and we have existed for a while to have a series of truly bad flaws already found (and fixed). We make less serious bugs these days.
2. Since 2010, lots of more people look for security problems and these days we are much better better at identifying problems as security related and we have better tools, while for a few years ago the same problem would just have become “a bug fix”.

Deciding severity

When a security problem is reported to curl, the curl security team and the reporter collaborate. First to make sure we understand the full width of the problem and its security impact. What can happen and what is required for that badness to trigger? Further, we assess what the likeliness that this can be done on purpose or by mistake and how common those situations and required configurations might be. We know curl, we know the code but we also often go back and double-check exactly what the documentation says and promises to better assess what users should be expected to know and do, and what is not expected from them etc. And we re-read the involved code again and again.

curl is currently a little over 160,000 lines of feature packed C code (excluding blank lines). It might not always be straight forward to a casual observer exactly how everything is glued together even if we try to also document internals to help you find deeper knowledge.

I think it is fair to say that it requires a certain amount of experience and time spent with the code to be able to fully understand a curl security issue and what impact it might have. I believe it is difficult or next to impossible for someone without knowledge about how it works to just casually read our security advisories and try to second-guess our assessments and instead make your own.

Yet this is exactly what NVD does. They don’t even ask us for help or for clarifications of anything. They think they can assess the severity of our problems without knowing curl nor fully understanding the reported issues.

A case to prove my point

In March 2023 we published a security advisory for the problem commonly referred to as CVE-2023-27536.

This is potentially a security problem, probably never hurts anyone and is in fact quite unlikely to ever cause a problem. But it might. So after deliberating we accepted it and ranked it severity low.

Bear with me here. I’ll spend two paragraphs revealing some details from the internal libcurl engine:

The problem is of a kind we have had several times in the past: curl has a connection pool and when a user makes a subsequent request which this particular option modified (compared to how it was when the previous connection was setup) it would wrongly reuse the first connection thinking they had the exact same properties.

The second would then accidentally get the wrong rights because it was setup differently. Still, the first connection would need the correct credentials and everything and so would the second one, it would just differ depending on what “GSSAPI delegation” that is allowed.

NVD ranks this

The person or team at NVD whose job it is to make up stuff for security vulnerabilities ranked this as CRITICAL 9.8. Almost as bad as it gets apparently. 10 is the max as you might recall.

When realizing this, at the end of May, I first fell off my chair in shock by this insanity, but after a quick recovery I emailed them (again) and complained (yet again) on setting this severity for *27536. I used the word “ridiculous” in my email to describe their actions. Why and who benefits from them scaremongering the world like this? It makes no sense. On the contrary, this is bad for everyone.

As a reaction to my complaint, someone at NVD went back and agreed to revise the CVSS string they had set and suddenly it was “only” ranked HIGH 7.2. I say “someone” because they never communicate with names and never sign the emails which whomever I talk to. They are just “NVD”.

I objected to their new CVSS string as well. It is just not a high severity security problem!

In my new argument I changed two particular details in the CVSS string (compared to the one they insisted was good) and presented arguments for that. For your pleasure, I include my exact wording below. (Some emphasis is added here for display purposes.)

How I motivated a downgrade

I could possibly live with: AV:N/AC:H/PR:H/UI:N/S:U/C:H/I:N/A:N (4.4) - even if that means Medium and we argue Low.

These are two changes and my motivations:

Attack complexity high - because how this requires that you actually have a working first communication and then do a second is slightly changed and you would expect the second to be different but in reality it accidentally reuse the first connection and therefore gives different/elevated rights.

It is a super-niche and almost impossible attack and there has been no report ever of anyone having suffered from this or even the existence of an application that actually would enable it to happen.

It is more likely to only happen by mistake by an application, but it also seems unlikely to ever be used by an application in a way that would trigger it since having the same user credentials with different values for GSS delegation and assume different access levels seems … weird.

This almost impossible chance of occurring is the primary reason we think this is a Low severity. With CVSS, it seems impossible to reach Low.

Privileges Required high - because the only way you can trigger this flaw is by having full privileges for the *same* user credentials that is later used again but with changed GSS API delegation set. While the previous connection is still live in the connection pool.

It would also only be an attack or a flaw if that second transfer actually assumes to have different access properties, which is probably debatable if users of the API would expect or not

CVSS still sucks

CVSS is a crap system so using this single-dimension number it seems next to impossible to actually get severity low report.

NVD wants “public sources”

NVD does not just take my word for how curl works. I mean, I only wrote a large chunk of it and am probably the single human that knows most about its internals and how it works. I also wrote the patch for this issue, I wrote the connection pool logic and I understand the problem exactly. Nope, just because I say so does not make it true.

My claims above about this issue can of course be verified by reading the publicly available source code and you can run tests to reproduce my claims. Not to mention that the functionality in question is documented.

But no.

They decided to agree to one of my proposed changes, which further downgraded the severity to MEDIUM 5.9. Quite far away from their initial stance. I think it is at least a partial victory.

For the second change to the CVSS string I requested, they demand that I provide more information for them. In their words:

There is no publicly available information about the CVE that clarifies your statement so we must request clarification from you and additionally have this detail added to the HackerOne report or some other public interface for transparency purposes prior to making changes to the CVSS vector.

… which just emphasizes exactly what I have stated already in this post. They set a severity on this without understanding the issue, with no knowledge of the feature that gets this wrong and without clues about what is actually necessary to trigger this flaw in the first place.

For people intimately familiar with curl internals, we actually don’t have to spell out all these facts with excruciating details. We know how the connection pool works, how the reuse of connections should work and what it means when curl gets it wrong. We have also had several other issues in this areas in the past. (It is a tricky area to get right.)

But it does not make this CVE more than a Low severity issue.

Conclusion

This issue is now stuck at this MEDIUM 5.9 at NVD. Much less bad than where they started. Possibly Low or Medium does not make a huge difference out there in the world.

I think it is outrageous that I need to struggle and argue for such a big and renowned organization to do right. I can’t do this for every CVE we have reported because it takes serious time and energy, but at the same time I have zero expectation of them getting this right. I can only assume that they are equally lost and bad when assessing security problems in other projects as well.

A completely broken and worthless system. That people seem to actually use.

It is certainly tempting to join the projects that do not report Low or Medium issues at all. If we would stop doing that, at least NVD would not shout wolf and foolishly claim they are critical.

My response

That is a ridiculous request.

I'm stating *verifiable facts* about the flaw and how curl is vulnerable to it. The publicly available information this is based on is the actual source code which is openly available. You can also verify my claims by running code and checking what happens and then you'd see that my statements match what the code does.

The fact that you assess the severity of this (and other) CVE without understanding the basic facts of how it works and what the vulnerability is, just emphasizes how futile your work is: it does not work. If you do not even bother to figure these things out then of course you cannot set a sensible severity level or CVSS score. Now I understand your failures much better.

We in the curl project's security team already know how curl works, we understand this vulnerability and we set the severity accordingly. We don't need to restate known facts. curl functionality is well documented and its source code has always been open and public.

If you have questions after having read that, feel free to reach out to the curl security team and we can help you. You reach us at security@curl.se

I recommend that you (NVD) always talk to us before you set CVSS scores for curl issues so that we can help guide you through them. I think that could make the world a better place and it would certainly benefit a world of curl users who trust the info you provide.

 / Daniel