It isn’t actually going away. It’s just been thrown over the fence to the Apache project and Subversion itself to host and maintain going forward.
When the Subversion project started in the early year 2000, I was there. I joined the project and participated in the early days of its development as I really believed in creating an “improved CVS” and I thought I could contribute to it.
While I was involved with the project, I noticed the lack of a decent mailing list archive for the discussions and set one up under the name svn.haxx.se as a service for myself and for the entire community. I had the server and the means to do it, so why not?
After some years I drifted away from the project. It was doing excellently and I was never any significant contributor. Then git and some of the other distributed version control systems came along and in my mind they truly showed the world how version control should be done…
The mailing list archive however I left, and I had even added more subversion related lists to it over time. It kept chugging along without me having to do much. Mails flew in, got archived and were made available for the world to search for and link to. Today it has over 390,000 emails archived from over twenty years of rather active open source development on multiple mailing lists. It is fascinating that no less than 46 persons have written more than a thousand emails each on those lists during these two decades.
The physical machine that runs the website is going to be shut down and taken out of service soon, and instead of just shutting down this service I’ve worked with the good people in the Subversion project and the hosting of that site and archive has now been taken over by the Apache project instead. It is no longer running on my machine. If you discover any issues with it, you need to talk to them.
Today, January 20 2021, I updated the DNS to instead have the host name
svn.haxx.se point to Apache’s web server. I believe the plan is to keep the site as an archive of past emails and not add any new emails to it as of now.
I hereby sign off my twenty years of service as an svn email archive janitor. It was a pleasure to serve you.
Already before, I’ve mentioned that libcurl is becoming popular within package management.
libcurl is a generic library for file transfers over a wide variety of protocols. Over the years, some of the recent ditributed version management softwares have learned about libcurl’s powers and they now use it:
darcs – was born in 2003 and is written in Haskell. I’m under the impression these guys wrote their own binding layer to interface libcurl from Haskell.
git – possibly best known for being created by Linus Torvalds and being used by the Linux kernel project, is using libcurl for HTTP(S) accesses.
bazaar – is written in Python and accordingly uses the pycurl binding for libcurl.
Anyone know of other version control systems using libcurl?
Ironies here include that libcurl itself is still kept within a CVS respository, and also quite possibly that the first version management project I myself participated is Subversion and that not only has two different HTTP dependencies, but none of those two are libcurl (they are neon and serf)…
Update: it seems that Mercurial is also using pycurl as an optional dependency.
Occasionally people ask me or just mock me because we’re still using CVS in the curl project, even though there are much more compelling alternatives out there now. Subversion, git, Bzr, Mercurial, etc. I am even a contributor and committer in the Subversion project. (Although I’ll be the first to admit that I never committed much and the stuff I did was done many years ago.)
CVS just isn’t bad enough to warrant the work of a replacement. curl is a tiny project (source code wise) and while CVS has several flaws in how it is designed and works, those flaws never hurt us much. Basically the only one is the lack of rename support and that has no major impact on us.
On the contrary, CVS has the upside of being established and rock solid since many years so people on all sorts of platforms can use it and get the curl source code. This is important especially for our automated build-system which we try hard to find volunteers for to run automatically daily around-the-clock (the results and outputs are then mailed to our central autobuild master server that collects and presents them) and then those guys need to be able to checkout the code easily. Using more modern tools will make it harder since those aren’t available as widely as binary packages for as many (outdated) platforms as CVS is.
So curl sticks with CVS for now.