Monthly Archives: November 2008

cURL and libcurl

What is this yassl really?

yassl is said to be Yet Another SSL library and I’ve been told that for example it is the preferred library used by the mysql camp. I got interested in this several years ago when I learned about it since I thought it was fun to see an alternative implementation of OpenSSL that still offers the same API.

Since then, I’ve amused myself by trying to build and run curl with it like every six months or so. I’ve made (lib)curl build fine with yassl (and its configure script also detects that it is an OpenSSL API emulated by yassl), but I’ve never seen it run the entire curl test suite through without failing at least one test!

I asked the mysql guy about how yassl has worked for them, but he kind of shrugged and admitted that they hadn’t tried it much (and then I don’t know really who he spoke for, the entire team or just he and his closest friends) but he said it worked for them.

Today I noticed the yassl version 1.9.6 that I downloaded, built and tried against curl. This time curl completely fails to build with it…

Let me also point out that it’s not like I’ve not told the yassl team (person?) about these problems in the past. I have, and there have been adjustments that have been meant to address problems I’ve seen. I just can’t make curl use it successfully… libcurl can still be built and run with OpenSSL, GnuTLS or NSS so it’s not like we lack SSL library alternatives.

The same team/person seems to behind another SSL lib called Cyassl that’s aimed for smaller footprint systems and I’ve heard whispers about people trying to get libcurl to build against that and it surely is going to be interesting to see where that leads!

Technology

Times I listen

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I listen to perhaps 4-5 podcast episodes per week. I figure they last a total of three hours or perhaps a little less. I don’t consider that to be much in any sense, but still I find that a lot of my friends ask me how I get time to listen to them while at the same time run a “normal” real life with two kids and hack on a zillion open source projects.

I honestly find the question a bit funny, since I know a lot of people listen to radio or music a lot more than so per week.

I just happen to always put the latest episodes of my favorite podcasts on my mp3 player and I carry the player with me. Whenever I’m about to do something on my own that doesn’t need my full brain present, like shopping groceries, doing the dishes, cleaning up in the house, mowing the lawn or in fact even when watching cartoons or children’s television I can just put an earplug into one of my ears and get quality shows and thus enrich the situation I’m in! I can tell you doing the dishes is a lot better with a great podcast!

I don’t commute or drive very long to and back from work currently which otherwise are the perfect podcast moments.

Development, Open Source

My million users

I’ve been working professionally with computers since 1991 and explicitly as a developer since 1993. I’ve written one or two lines of code since then. How many users could there be out there that are using something that includes my code?

Open source

I’ve participated in a wide range of open source projects, so of course all direct users of those projects would count: curl, Rockbox and let’s include subversion and others. I would guess that there are at least one million users of curl, quite likely more than so of subversion and Rockbox may also reach a million users or so. It’s of course impossible to know for sure…

Lots of open source projects use libraries that I work on now and have worked with in the past. Primarily libcurl and c-ares. Such as Boinc, git, bazaar, darcs. Millions of users, no doubt (Boinc alone has some 1.5 million users). The OLPC’s XO laptop comes with (lib)curl. I think most Linux distros these days come with curl installed. How many linux installations are there? libcurl is rather popular when used within PHP as well and there are many many million installations of PHP out there. I have code in wget, also used by millions.

Closed source users of open source I’ve participated in

Adobe acrobat reader (for non-windows platforms), Adobe’s flash player and various other Adobe products, Second life, Google Earth and others. They’re bound to have several million users. curl is included in Mac OS X.

There are also a lot of devices that use libcurl that are even harder to track: Sandisk makes mp3 players that use libcurl, Sony makes a video device that uses libcurl, Tilgin, Neuros and others make IPTV-devices that use libcurl. libcurl is used for multiple “installers” such as the one AOL provide for a specific router. There are many company users.

Closed source stuff I’ve worked with on my day-job

… is of course also used widely and all over, but me being an embedded guys I mostly work on software in products and most of the products I’ve worked within have been for various niche markets in which I have little or no knowledge about how much the products (and thus my code) are actually used. I’ve left my fingerprints on several networking products, IPTV/Digital TV settop boxes, railroad equipments, a car ignition tester, 3g/telecom switches, rfid receivers, laser-using positioning systems and more.

How many millions?

Ok, let’s for the sake of the argument say that there’s somewhere around 100 million devices with my code from me included – I really have no idea how to make a sensible estimate. Let’s for simplicity also say that there are 100 million users of these devices. I would also guess that about half of the world’s population isn’t near using devices I may have programmed. Thus, if you’re using “devices” in general there’s a probability of 3 billion/100 million = 1/30 that you’re using something that includes code that I’ve worked on…

In fact, that number is then valid for any random “device” user – if you’re reading this on my blog I don’t expect you to be very random but rather a specialized person and then I would say the likeliness of you having at least something with my code in it is almost 100% guaranteed…

Where would you say my biggest weaknesses in this reasoning are?

Electronics, IT Politics, Rockbox, Technology

Rockbox coming along on Sansa v2s

There have been fierce activity in the dusty corners of the Rockbox project known as the SanDisk Sansa v2 hackers guild (no not really but I thought it sounded amusing) and this has so far resulted in early code like LCD drivers and NAND drivers on three new upcoming targets: The e200, Fuze and Clip.

There’s still work to do before the celebrations can start for real, but it’s still nice to see good progress.

Now run over and help out!

(picture by Bertrik Sikken)

Blogging, Open Source

FNOSS hosts nordic foss blogs

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There’s yet another blog aggregator on the internet now, and this time it’s fnoss.org which includes blogs from a bunch of “Nordic” (I would assume that means people from the northern parts of Europe) people writing about free software and related matters. I am one.

My blog is since previously also seen in the advogato aggregation.

This of course makes my blog get more read but like the rss feeds it also makes it harder for me to know how many readers/visitors I have since it’s all distributed. Not that this number matter very much anyway…

cURL and libcurl, Development

Metalink in curl bounty

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The Metalink guys host a list of project ideas and one of those ideas is to add metalink support to curl, and I recently bumped the stakes a bit by raising the bounty with an additional 200 USD so that the offer is now 500 USD for the person or team that brings the feature as described.

My primary motivation for doing this is that I like the metalink idea and I’d like to help making sure it gets used more widely.

Mail, Web

Please hide my email

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… I don’t want my employer/wife/friends to see that I’ve contributed something cool to an open source project, or perhaps that I said something stupid 10 years ago.

I host and co-host a bunch of different mailing list archives for projects on web sites, and I never cease to get stumped by how many people are trying hard to avoid getting seen on the internet. I can understand the cases where users accidentally leak information they intended to be kept private (although the removal from an archive is then not a fix since it has already been leaked to the world), but I can never understand the large crowd that tries to hide previous contributions to open source projects because they think the current or future employers may notice and have a (bad) opinion about it.

I don’t have the slightest sympathy for the claim that they get a lot of spam because of their email on my archives, since I only host very public lists and the person’s address was already posted publicly to hundreds of receivers and in most cases also to several other mailing list archives.

People are weird!

cURL and libcurl

curl 7.19.1

Trying hard to maintain the bimonthly release schedule we’ve been keeping up with for quite some time by now, we therefore now proudly announce the release of curl and libcurl 7.19.1

This release includes at least 24 bug fixes and the following changes:

IT Politics, Network

Can Ipv6 be made to succeed?

One of the “big guys” in Sweden on issues such as this – Patrik Fältström – apparently held a keynote at a recent internet-related conference (“Internetdagarna”), and there he addressed this topic (in Swedish). His slides from his talk is available from his blog.

Indeed a good read. Again: in Swedish…

In summary: the state is currently bad. There’s little being done to improve things. All alternatives to ipv6 look like worse solutions.